Why project Gooseberry matters

[blackdot]

thanks a Ton

[antoni4040]

Just saw your photo, laughed my brains out
For some reason, all computer nerds used to look the same…
Still do, actually, but I’m not gonna upload any photos of myself.

[DingTo]

Thanks a lot for this great post Ton!

I share your vision and I am confident that this will be a great step forward for Blender.

[PhysicsGuy]

@COALMINDS

Internet access is provided by huge corporations with the infrastructure to build and maintain lines. When people finally figure out that they need to get a free non-corporate alternative there will be a difference, but that’s another topic for another time. The segregation of the CG community in not just creators but creations is entirely willful and democratic on the other hand and has nothing to do with corporations. I doubt we’ll see a lot of content looking to address that.]
Let us lament the plight of the white male nerd, for he has no place in the tech/animation/game industry. Woe is he.

We know how you feel about these things. You have made this abundantly clear. I don’t really see why you feel the need to ridicule Ton’s perfectly honest post.

[PhysicsGuy]

Thanks Ton, that was an interesting post. To my shame I have to admit that I have not signed up yet. I am incredibly short on cash at the moment and was waiting for the pledge option. Now that it is there, I will use it!

[Jholen]

I wait to receive me fee next week for a job done all inside blender, so I’ll with you.

TBH, I’ll just bought the DVD I like and need on blender shop (last one was 3d printer tutorial), but want support the project and blender evolution. I’m pretty sure blender is the only real alternative to ADSK (I mean for freelancer)

[Esparadrapo]

@Fweeb

Just a moderation note folks. This thread isn’t for arguments or debates. We have plenty of other threads for that.

Can you please provide a few links?

[jskurias]

I’m just disappointed by the lack of interest in the Bronze sponsor category by individuals or small businesses that’s benefiting them using Blender as their main tool. I see them post here once in a while claiming that they’re using Blender in their job. Where are they now? I’m a mere hobbyist right now and hope to make money off of Blender someday. But any kind of hobby requires you to spend money. You go to watch a movie several times a year, you spend money. So if Blender makes you happy creating art, why not donate?

[COALMINDS]

@jskurias

I’m just disappointed by the lack of interest in the Bronze sponsor category by individuals or small businesses that’s benefiting them using Blender as their main tool. I see them post here once in a while claiming that they’re using Blender in their job. Where are they now? I’m a mere hobbyist right now and hope to make money off of Blender someday. But any kind of hobby requires you to spend money. You go to watch a movie several times a year, you spend money. So if Blender makes you happy creating art, why not donate?

that’s why I donated. I’m actually confused by the folks who say they need more blender features, I’m sure it needs some to catch up to other programs but it does a ton already for animation. I’m more sympathetic to folks who want more on the game dev side actually.

[Fax]

@SaintHaven

Can you explain why the funds coming in from the SteamWorkshop are not going back into the continued development of tools, or employment of developers, that have been supposed to target the game side of things in Blender? Wasnt that what you implied once the steam workshop donations started coming in?

Can you tell us where you found that info, or is it just a (rather insulting) assumption of yours?

[Manuel_L]

@Fax

Can you tell us where you found that info, or is it just a (rather insulting) assumption of yours?

I guess he confuses the >Pledge< that Steam made for Gooseberry with the >revenue coming in over the Steam workshop sales<.
They are not the same and it is not that hard to understand.

[BluePrintRandom]

@COALMINDS

Internet access is provided by huge corporations with the infrastructure to build and maintain lines. When people finally figure out that they need to get a free non-corporate alternative there will be a difference, but that’s another topic for another time. The segregation of the CG community in not just creators but creations is entirely willful and democratic on the other hand and has nothing to do with corporations. I doubt we’ll see a lot of content looking to address that.]
Let us lament the plight of the white male nerd, for he has no place in the tech/animation/game industry. Woe is he.

Ad hoc Wireless mesh network + ham nodes + “community” fiber + satellite hops

We can be the internet.

[BluePrintRandom]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.A.T.M.A.N.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hubski.com.kvh.tincan

Serval Mesh

Open Garden

Mobile ad hoc network

[BluePrintRandom]

This also means that steam workshop donations coming from Valve are not out of Valve’s own pocket but rather revenue artist have given up to support something else of their own choice.

if this is true, it is disturbing.

I want the bge to get to a level where I can contribute revenue to blender.

Why not have both?

[Fax]

@SaintHaven"

Valve did not pledge money for Gooseberry and the revenue used is the same.
This has been confirmed via irc.

I would really like to see this confirmation.

[myclay]

@SaintHaven
I am a strong supporter of getting Blender better for external Game engine!
(the BGE just can´t cut it and its Licence is alienating to users and that part of Blender should be transformed into a Mesh/PBR viewer)

maybe the Steamworkshop/valve funds are put into Gooseberry because the bigger topics get tackled where we as game engine users can profit from it too ? Texture painting and so on … ?

also as it seems there might be a game for the Gooseberry project?

the general communication might be a problem here…

[zeauro]

@BluePrintRandom

if this is true, it is disturbing.

I want the bge to get to a level where I can contribute revenue to blender.

Why not have both?

It does not matter if gooseberry is a film or game project. Read targets.
It is a project about better animation, asset and project management tools.

Everybody would obtain benefits of these improvements, filmmakers and video game makers (who are sometimes doing videos to promote their games).

[Ace_Dragon]

@BluePrintRandom

if this is true, it is disturbing.

I want the bge to get to a level where I can contribute revenue to blender.

Why not have both?

Uh, their work was never about the BGE, it was about establishing a better workflow for those who make assets for games (which might be for a game made using Unity or the Unreal Engine).

Everything you hear might sound related to the BGE the way you interpret things but that is not the case.

Anyway (had something else before that twitter screenshot), Gooseberry the game might be a fantastic idea that could bring a number of things to the crowd that wants an improved pipeline for games and assets, every good movie must have a game right? Perhaps in this case, it would satisfy those who might be starting to think that Ton is unfit to be the project leader and should be replaced.

[DingTo]

@SaintHaven"

Someone also cued me into a comment

This “someone” is you, being in IRC under the name “Dataday”. Schizophrenic?

So I don’t get why you spread rumours and crap in here, instead of being a civilised man and ask Ton in IRC directly?

[Therahedwig]

@SaintHaven"

Apparently also questioning or posting a critism of going for such a project again is considered “poisonous” and “trolling”, but I get it. The project isnt meeting expecations as far as funding goes, so its easy to turn someone like me into a “bad guy” just because I question the wisdom of this approach and or expect some consistency with all the claims to develop in non film related areas. Its unfortunate because it says that one cant take these messages (usually on code.blender.org as well) at face value.

Actually, that’s rather because you have a talent for implying that the other’s brain is fundamentally broken, which I know you don’t intend to or realise. Scientific wording and latin never do really well in everyday conversation.

That said, I was slightly afraid of that. At the very least we can hope that baking is considered useful for Gooseberry(see all the happy squeeling in regards the more efficient rendertimes in the cycles baking thread), and from my own experimentation custom normals are useful in NPR(and are on the NPR wishlist). It’s likely the fbx support that is going to suffer

I still hope it’s not the case though.