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SkyWriter
01-Jul-02, 12:29
In the fine tradition of starting polls to address insoluable problems, I submit for your discussion:
http://www.abortioncams.com
They managed to grab the url of www.carrieannemoss.com (trinity in the matrix) and plastered it full of horrific pictures and graphics of decapitated babies and whatnot.
Very nice for the unsuspecting 12 year old trinity fan.
These people should be shot. (thats just my opinion)
wp
Dittohead
01-Jul-02, 12:44
This is a titanic issue. There are two types of 'abortion activists', let me tell you about them.
(1)
Those who are truly demonic and bomb the abortion clinics.
and
(2)
Those who simply believe it's wrong to 'abort' lives and want to make a change.
I am a part of group #2.
I believe that there is no differance between the couple of minutes between before the child is born and after.
Answer me this: is there a differance between the five minutes before the baby is born and five minutes later after the child is born?
Dittohead
01-Jul-02, 12:46
I havn't visited those sites, so I'm NOT defending them.
how often do you see monkeys having abortions?
I think they go too far yes
dittohead: i got to go with number 2
Answer me this: is there a differance between the five minutes before the baby is born and five minutes later after the child is born?
Hardly, but if you try to abort the child five minutes before it would be born you would get a forced birth, not an abortion.
Abortions after the twelfth week of pregnancy are uncommon, and at least in Sweden abortions after the 18th week need special permission that are only given under special circumstances.
Hardly, but if you try to abort the child five minutes before it would be born you would get a forced birth, not an abortion.
I think dittohead may have been referring to the US practice of "partial birth abortions", which are similar to the removing of "unauthorized pregnancies" in China. Both are legal in their respective countries. The "special permissions" you mentioned in Sweden exist here as well but there are many who would like to do away with them entirely.
Don't get me wrong, personally, I believe a woman should have the choice of keeping or aborting an unwanted pregnancy, but making the decision late in the 3rd trimester (medical issues aside) is both irresponsible and barbaric.
just a question:(NO FLAMES PLEASE!!!!!!) so,are you saying that a woman or any other person has the right to decide who lives and who dies?
gargola, who are directing that question at?
Don't get me wrong, personally, I believe a woman should have the choice of keeping or aborting an unwanted pregnancy, but making the decision late in the 3rd trimester (medical issues aside) is both irresponsible and barbaric.
you said that,right?
if a woman is raped, why should she have to give birth to the child of an evil human being that took advantage of her?
There is a certain point in the pregnancy where it should no longer be allowed. NOt sure what it is though.
So, you are stopping a baby from being born. What about condoms, huh? That techincally is mureder. 100 million lives are being destroyed in fowl swoop.
Guess masturbation is the same.
Who woulda thunk so many people in the world were mass murderes
Fo those who are against abortion.... We all have our own beleifes. If it is something you would not do, than dont do it. If someone else wants to, it is their choice. We don't control other's lives.
Personally, i am pro choice. If got pregnant (not too likely considering the whole penis thing) , and it was against my will, or i was too young to realize what i was doing... why shouldn't I be allowed to choose whats best for me.
If you were too young to realize what you were doing than that is irresponsible, then if you had an abortion, just so you wouldn't have to grow up, then that is also irresponsible. Also, if a woman is raped, the child must still be loved, it is still a child. If someone has an abortion because of a situation like that, it is because of their own emotions and nothing else.
I believe that there are implications medically that could warrant so, but just not wanting a baby, or saying your too young, is just an excuse to continue on an irresponsible lifestyle in hopes to free yourself from the consequences of such a lifestyle.
Isn't this poll a bit generalized? Which abortion activitists are you reffering to? Are you going to name specific people?
I suspect that "how far" they go varies from activist to activist.
Anyway, my personal view-point is as follows:
Inflicting pain is bad. So, as long as the fetus has not yet developed the nervous system for feeling pain, it is ok to abort it. But if it has developed the nervous system for feeling pain, then it is not ok to abort it.
Discussions like this on a Forum supposedly devoted to Blender and 3D subject matter are sure GETTING OLD...
are you saying that a woman or any other person has the right to decide who lives and who dies?
My argument with your question revolves around the word "who". Who is "who", or better yet, WHAT is "who"? You are assuming I believe a human being is present immediately after insemination.
I don't think that is the case.
Since I don't believe a stem cell or a clump of fertilized cells constitutes a "human", a woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy early on. I have already mentioned my distaste for late term abortions.
I don't really fit into the ranks of either side on this one. Sorry.
haunt_house
01-Jul-02, 17:10
I do not answer black and white polls
HH
I am kind of tired of these posts that has nothing to do with anything and what so ever about CG at all...
If I could I would remove these postings... :x
I am kind of tired of these posts that has nothing to do with anything and what so ever about CG at all...
If I could I would remove these postings... :x
chill
No one is forcing anyone to read them, there is very few direct blender related subject on this forum at all. For those who do not like them, why click on them?
haunt_house
01-Jul-02, 19:34
just a question:(NO FLAMES PLEASE!!!!!!) so,are you saying that a woman or any other person has the right to decide who lives and who dies?
of course, we do it all the time. cows do not have a right to live.
pigs certainly do not have any right to live.
all animals inside laboratories do not have any right to live.
but I know human beings are a million times worthier than animals
Of course, because we are human.
For those who are against abortion.... We all have our own beleifes. If it is something you would not do, than dont do it. If someone else wants to, it is their choice. We don't control other's lives.
They do control. When they decide to kill the fetus, they decide to end a life. Belief is a fine thing, but normally its consequences are not isolated. You demand a right and take it away from others at the same time...
besides. If a woman is raped, she does not have to wait, til the fetus is developed. She can do something against it, before the cells even divide.
HH
It's a womans issue, the men should butt out. If men can determine women's reproductive rights then women should have an equal say in men's reproductive rights. It's funny but the worst dead beats, as far as paying child support, that I personally know, are all anti abortion.
haunt_house
02-Jul-02, 04:33
Isnīt there alyways a man involved to cause the problem?
HH
CubeFan973
02-Jul-02, 13:22
Stop that stuff! You'll make me throw up! And if I'm rushed to a hospital or something, I don't want to say that I was reading about abortion--I'M TWELVE! ICK!
I know, I'm not supposed to know that stuff, but I'm insane!
Anyway, I think abortion sounds evil. If a girl somehow got pregnant, I think she should deliver the kid and put it up for adoption. Of course, that makes me extremely paranoid...
Abortion sounds like irresponsibility gone wrong. If you don't want the kid to be born, but you chose to go into a bedroom or whatver with that guy, it's partly your fault. If someone came in your house and raped you, then it's that guy's fault.
luckybreak
02-Jul-02, 21:41
Well this is a hard issue, I think women should always have the right to choose. Its about her body and future.
They managed to grab the url of www.carrieannemoss.com (trinity in the matrix) and plastered it full of horrific pictures and graphics of decapitated babies and whatnot.
Very nice for the unsuspecting 12 year old trinity fan.
These people should be shot. (thats just my opinion)
wp
what a shame. carrie is such a hottie
I am kind of tired of these posts that has nothing to do with anything and what so ever about CG at all...
If I could I would remove these postings... :x
not only is this a forum for blender and cg... but a group of friends. a 'community' I hear alot. and a community that talks about only one thing is pretty damn boring if you ask me. we got the off-topic forum now, so you guys just ignore those of us who enjoy conversing with online friends about topics that have nothign to do with blender.
Well this is a hard issue, I think women should always have the right to choose. Its about her body and future.
What about the childs future, does that not count?
haunt_house
03-Jul-02, 03:12
sometimes a quick end is better than a miserable life
sometimes!
but the way I see it, the problem is not the abortion, but the problem why do so many unwanted pregnancies happen? And can that count be lowered with a responsable school system for children AND parents?
HH
hehe :P
not only is this a forum for blender and cg... but a group of friends. a 'community' I hear alot. and a community that talks about only one thing is pretty damn boring if you ask me. we got the off-topic forum now, so you guys just ignore those of us who enjoy conversing with online friends about topics that have nothign to do with blender.
so why do you think Kib_Tph made this off-topic forum then ?
cause of some persons idiotic neverending discussions that didn't
lead to nowhere, and I think he would totally agree to me when
I say that all other discussions were drowned when these kinds
of discussions have so many posts/sides about subjects that
in general has nothing to do with CG and therefore, off-topic
was created...
lp_developer
05-Sep-05, 11:38
abortion is bad..its killing a human being.....
imagine if ur mom did abortion??
you would be dead!
not a successful person.....or a not succesful perosn living in mom's basement, drinking six packs and trying to make a video game...
:D xD
eQuilibrium,
Please don't bump such old threads like this...and don't do it future either.
8)
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